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Please Don't Seed Me

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Sometimes in our rush to be the first to digg, seed, submit or social bookmark all of the breaking news and amusing curiosities throughout the Internets we overlook one important question, should this page be submitted?

Granted, unless the item is behind a paid registration wall, or against the terms of service, all items are more or less fair game to be submitted. Is this a sound policy? Are there not certain circumstances when a page is meant to be public, but the author would rather not have their link submitted to all the hot social bookmarking sites?

I've seeded an item before that the author would rather have left more private. I've seen other bookmarked items catch the attention of the original author, who would have rather the page not been submitted. There are certainly reasons for not wanting a web page socially bookmarked. What are we to do about it?

The author can always leave a nice message to not social bookmark the item. Of course this does not guarantee that anyone would read the message, or abide by it. It would be best if there was a technological method for designating pages as "Please don't bookmark me."

This reminds me of a past problem search engines ranking pages by their incoming links. Soon people would abuse this method and spam sites with their links to increase their search engine ranking. Google eventually proposed the idea of including the HTML attribute rel="nofollow" into the tags of user submittable links to discourage this form of spamming.

Regrettably the rel attribute poses little use to social bookmarkers, since most submissions occur while already viewing the page at question, not a link to it. However, the page at question does provide plenty of under-the-hood code for our purposes, mainly the meta tag.

It is my proposal to add this meta tag, <meta name="bookmark" content="false" /> to any web page that the author has no interest in seeing submitted to a social bookmark site. Likewise, they could use content="true" to designate that it is okay to bookmark the page, however this would not be a requirement.

The submission bookmarklet for each social bookmarking site could include the following code, document.getElementsByName("bookmark")[0].content to determine whether the submission should continue, or not.

This proposal can even be extended further by including a meta tag to specify submission preferences for individual social bookmarking sites. This could be implemented one of two ways. The first idea would include a separate "meta" tag for each social bookmarking site the author wished to exclude from submission, using the "name" attribute to specify the particular site as such, <meta name="digg" content="false" />. The "bookmark" designation would then function as a universal exclude.

The second idea would be to use just the one "meta" tag with the "name" attribute set to "bookmark" but instead allow the "content" attribute to contain a comma delimited list of sites to exclude. Thus, <meta name="bookmark" content="false, digg, newsvine" /> would mean that the author prefers all submissions to social bookmarking sites prohibited except to digg or newsvine. Likewise, <meta name="bookmark" content="true, netscape, reddit" /> would indicate that the author is okay with submissions to any social bookmarking site other than Netscape or Reddit.

An implementation such as this has an extra need in an environment like digg's, where administrators have a rather liberal policy on banning domains. If the author of a domain is not careful and not able to control their items that are submitted to digg, they could soon find their entire site banned.

Other social bookmarking sites such as netscape, reddit, del.icio.us and newsvine have far less to worry about their entire domain being banned. However, there are still reasons why an author would want to stop their site, or particular pages of their site from being submitted. This is one proposal to respect those authors' wishes while doing so under-the-hood of the web page.

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{"commentId":529223,"authorDomain":"masem"}

It comes back to the so-called Slashdot effect. Someone hosting an article with a small pipe or limited on upload allowance gets screwed up by social bookmarking. They may want the article out there for Google to hit as to get a couple hundred hits a month, but they don't or can't support a couple hundred thousand hits in a few hours.

The only problem is that a strong effort is needed to get all social bookmarking sites to agree to this. But before jumping onto that, I would try to brainstorm to see if there's any other possible tags, similar to Adam's proposed one or to robots.txt, that should also be added in the same fell-swoop as to handle other cases. All being opt-out tags, but opt-in ones could be added, but basically things to help with the interaction of social bookmarking and bloggers/publishers.

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Reply#1 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:29 PM EST
{"commentId":529318,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

I'm not a fan of the robots.txt because it is harder to access from a bookmarklet that submits the content. The user would also have to continually update it. Playing with meta tags is much easier. One line of code for the bookmarklet to get the data it needs, plus a CMS such as Wordpress can easily add the needed meta tags with the check of one box.

As to its adoption, you just need the big guys to use it and then everyone else will fall in line.

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#1.1 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:05 PM EST
{"commentId":529425,"authorDomain":"masem"}

I meant the functionality of robots.txt, but not the mechanism, since not everyone runs the server they have pages on and thus can't control robots.txt.

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#1.2 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:39 PM EST
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{"commentId":529366,"authorDomain":"spudsstuff"}

I've seeded an item before that the author would rather have left more private.

I would suggest that if an author wants there article(s) to remain "private" that they don't put them on the Internet.

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Reply#2 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:24 PM EST
{"commentId":529420,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

There are degrees between completely private and lets flash it up for everyone to see.

Also as Masem pointed out, not every site has the hardware backbone to support a few thousand hits per minute that getting to the front page of one of these sites can send you.

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#2.1 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:38 PM EST
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{"commentId":529477,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

This is a good idea Adam.

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Reply#3 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:00 PM EST
{"commentId":530010,"authorDomain":"spring"}

An implementation such as this has an extra need in an environment like digg's, where administrators have a rather liberal policy on banning domains. If the author of a domain is not careful and not able to control their items that are submitted to digg, they could soon find their entire site banned.

Yeah, I remember when that happened to John Chow

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    Reply#4 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:14 PM EST
    {"commentId":530051,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

    It was a write up about that that got me thinking about this. Perhaps I should submit this to Netscape and see if anyone notices it.

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      #4.1 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:36 PM EST
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      {"commentId":530103,"authorDomain":"aneckelmann"}

      I've never run into the problem because I really just seed from mainstream websites. It's going to be pretty hard to have all these sites do something like this.

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        Reply#5 - Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:19 PM EST
        {"commentId":530921,"authorDomain":"finalcut"}

        A lot of small time sites would get this feature added for free most likely - just so long as the blog platform writers (the major ones at least) added this as an option..

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          #5.1 - Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:23 AM EST
          {"commentId":530954,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

          That's why it's opt-in. Don't include the meta tag and your site gets bookmarked like normal. Nothing changes whatsoever.

          You don't even need the major blog platforms to accept it at first, plugins will do more than enough, you just need the big bookmarking sites like digg, Netscape, Reddit, del.icio.us, and newsvine to accept it and build a check into their bookmarklets which shouldn't be all that hard. One line of code is all that is needed to return the value and then you just deal with that with a nice "if" statement.

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            #5.2 - Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:41 AM EST
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